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PseudoChef
08-15-2008, 08:27 PM
Ok, I've just about fucking had it with head retention. As you may have guessed by now, I brew 90% Belgians...in fact, I think the last time I brewed something non-Belgian was a Smoked Dunkelweizen back in April! (and even before then, I had three Belgians in carboys...but I digress...)

First, I want to address why this is important to me. Aesthetics....mmmm, maybe, it does give that beer a rustic touch (which if you just look at Belgium itself, embodies rusticity in my opinion). But more important is the effect on the palette. Belgian beers (and most beers should, again...in my opinion) are drunk out of open faced goblets or curvaceous "tulip" style glasses for a reason. It is a vehicle for delivering the character of the beer to the olfactory in a precise manner. Drink a dark strong out of a goblet because it's going to assault your senses with its rich, malty, chocolaty, sweet, fruit-like character. The open surface area allows you to take this all in.


http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1864/dsc02273xp0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

More subtle, but still assertive character? Perhaps more spice/hops/light fruit than malty/dark fruit and a tulip does wonders. The tapered body capturing the essence of the aromatic qualities and foam and then the flared lip re-distributing them to your nasal area as you sip to somewhat concentrate the beer to you.


http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/915/glassduveljz3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Moreover, the fizz: the continued release of CO2, and yes, that foam all serve to excite your senses. Let's not forget mouthfeel. Having that pillowy head creates a more desirable mouthfeel, gulping the bubbles in as you take a drink coats the tongue which actually helps deliver more of the flavor and satin-like texture that, I believe is desired.

But, there's more than just "retention" to this particular property: there's the actual structure of the bubble matrix itself, and if you're lucky, a brilliant cascade of leftover bubbles sticking to the sides of the drinking vessel, giving way to the trademark "Belgian Lace."

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6326/20070730emptyglassqf6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Now, about that structure I was referring to. Rocky. Pillowy. Billowing.


http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7750/alemary2wl6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


· In beer, CO2 is dissolved under tension in the liquid. While the cap is in place, equilibrium exists between dissolved gas and any bubbles that may be have formed. As soon as the bottle is opened, equilibrium is disrupted due to the reduction of pressure (Boyle's Law) and the flow of CO2 from solution into bubbles (diffusion).

Before a bubble can grow, it must form a nucleate. In beer, bubbles nuclei form at imperfections on surfaces such as scratches on the glass. After a bubble is released from its nucleation site, it grows as it makes its way to the surface. Bubble enlargement during ascent is caused by a continuous diffusion of dissolved carbon dioxide through the bubble's gas/liquid interface.

· The beer foam consists predominantly of a disperion of CO2 in beer. The CO2 bubbles rising through the liquid to the surface accumulate on their way high molecular proteins. These foam active substances cling to the bubbles and coat them with a thin elastic skin.
Lipid transfer protein 1 originating from barley stands out as the most important component relevant for the formation of foam. In malt, LTP1 is present in a foam inactive folded form. During the wort boiling LTP1 loses its 3D structure. The denaturated unfolded form is surface active.

· The head of foam is formed when the beer is poured and mix with air. An abundant head shows the quality of the beer. A beer with a good head of foam is a good beer; it is the bloom of a beer. The foam prevents the carbon dioxide from escaping the liquid. The mouthfeel and the creamy sensation of the beer is preserved.

· As soon as it is formed, the nicest beer foam will begin to disappear. This occurs for three reasons. On the one hand the liquid surrounding the bubbles flow through and out of the foam ("foam drainage"). On the other hand a gas exhange takes place between adjacent bubbles. Gas diffuses from smaller bubbles to bigger ones ("coarsening"). Last but not least small bubbles join to become large bubbles ("coalescence"). All these processes are responsible for the decrease in the volume of the beer foam.

· Soap, detergent, grease and wax residues will kill foam formation and retention actually attack the foam on a head of beer. Fatty substances are attached to the surface on the bubbles. The surface tension on the bubbles is lowered. They will burst. As a result the foamy head disappears, causing the beer to look and taste "flat". For these reasons, do not use regular liquid household dish washing detergents for glassware. They are fat-based and will leave a slight oily film on the glass. This causes beer to go flat quickly. Use a detergent designed specifically for beer glass cleaning. It must be low-suds, odor-free and non-fat. After washing, thoroughly rinse beer glasses and, if possible, air-dry them.

http://www.uni-r.de/Fakultaeten/nat_Fak_IV/Organische_Chemie/Didaktik/Keusch/D-beer_foam-e.htm

(Ok, I know this is long winded, but what the fuck else am I supposed to do on a Friday afternoon when I have structure calculations running for the next 8 hours and all the FPLCs are in use in the lab?)

The moral of this post is: I have no retention. Shit, I really have no head to begin with. Yes, my beer is carbed...I usually carbonate upwards around 2.8 or so volumes of CO2 when I bottle condition. Even when I kegged a Smoked Dunkel for NHC to a higher volume, it still didn't retain a bubble matrix worth two shits.

No, I don't put my glassware in the dishwasher. I don't use Jet Dry or any of that kind of stuff. No, I'm not rubbing lard or butter or bacon fat inside the glass to destroy the head (although that latter option might go well with a Rauch...dry-baconed, anyone?)

Also, those other things: Wheat. Tried it. That dunkel definitely had wheat in it...over 50% (malted). My last Wit? 40% of flaked. Nothing. Fuck that shit.

Carapils/Carafoam? Meh, a touch perhaps, but it doesn't give that rocky character I desire. The bubbles are so open, they're not really serving their purpose. I added some to this last Saison, but I erred on the side of caution and didn't add that much for fear of putting too much body back into the brew - something I really don't want with a lot of Belgian styles that need high attenuation and low gravity on the finish.

Really, I think the only beer that I've had great head with was my IIPA...and I'm attributing that to the hops. Can't really over hop most Belgians.

15 minute protein rest? Tried it on my Dubbel with no such luck. This beer is the worst out of the bunch (with the sole exception of my not-yet-carbed-all-the-way 12.5% Dark Strong).

What's the secret? Are you guys getting good head retention? Is the matrix tight and dense or are the bubbles spaced out and thin? What about that pillowy/cloud-like appearance? How do you achieve this?

I've only been so drawn out because this is one thing that I'm really falling short in. I want to make the jump from "good" to "great" homebrewer so I can get on the road to "exceptional." Unless I'm missing something from what I've tried, I've utilized all the common "solutions" to no avail.

Help a brotha' out. Share your success and stories.

DrunkenSatyr
08-15-2008, 09:22 PM
I hate to say it but I have noticed that if I bottle a batch it has great head retention. Kegged for one reason or another (and I am patient with carbing) there is a great head on the beer for about 30 sec, then it is gone daddy gone. I may have to brew a 10 gallon batch and keg half and bottle half and compare. Damn, now you have me curious.

Ó Flannagáin
08-15-2008, 09:23 PM
I actually tend to get pretty good head retention... it's gone after 1/3 to half the beer, but that's acceptable to me.

One thing though, I don't try for a good head. I just expect it and it happens. I'm really not sure what I do to achieve it. I brew a lot of beers with a touch of wheat, and I brew a lot of beers with a solid amount to a lot of hops.

I also keg, I notice that kegging provides a nice fluffy head, better than I ever got when pouring from a bottle.

I wish I could help more. When you say no head retention, do you mean no head, just it fades way to quickly?

Ó Flannagáin
08-15-2008, 09:24 PM
Wow DS, I was reading and writing while you were too I guess. Looks like we have opposite luck with kegging vs bottling and head retention.

PseudoChef
08-15-2008, 09:30 PM
What usually happens is that I have to pour vigorous and then the head fades away after about 30 seconds. If I don't pour vigorous, I don't get any head at all.

I'm thinking about taking some videos tonight to give a better example. (Just watch, I'll hit lucky bottles that give fantastic results!)

Ó Flannagáin
08-15-2008, 09:39 PM
Visuals would be nice for sure.

PseudoChef
09-23-2008, 02:33 AM
http://www.homebrewchatter.com/board/picture.php?albumid=18&pictureid=208

Finally. My Son of Lupulome (APA) still showing head about 25 minutes after the initial, non-vigorous pour. Although, I used Am. 2-row in this, so the real test comes with my Saison(s) that used Pils.

Ó Flannagáin
09-23-2008, 02:54 AM
That's some nice looking glassware. And, nice head too BTW :)

fireballmatt
09-23-2008, 03:52 AM
I tell you what has some fucking head...boddingtons pub ale...shit may be bland and tasteless, but DAMN does that have some head, that just LINGERS and LINGERS and LINGERS.

Ó Flannagáin
09-23-2008, 03:55 AM
Houblon Chouffe has the most amazing head I've ever experienced in a beer. Like whip cream... even after the beer was gone I still had clouds of head all over the glass.. thick dollops. Was amazing.

Ryanh1801
09-23-2008, 04:07 AM
Houblon Chouffe has the most amazing head I've ever experienced in a beer. Like whip cream... even after the beer was gone I still had clouds of head all over the glass.. thick dollops. Was amazing.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/Ryanh1985/DSCF0565.jpg
Yep, high alpha hops do lots for head retention.

I have had good luck with head retention in almost all of my beers. One thing to always check is your glasses. Never use soap or dish washer detergent. If you do come in contact with soap of some sort, use hot water and salt to wash the glass, then air dry. My belgian beers with no wheat have had some amazing head retention.

Another thing to do is, pour the first half of the beer straight down into the bottom of the glass, let it sit for 1-2 min. the pour the rest down the side of the glass.

Ronthered
09-23-2008, 11:05 AM
Buy a creamer faucet... instant head

Shenanigans
09-23-2008, 05:16 PM
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/Ryanh1985/DSCF0565.jpg



I love good head (that's what he said), but that is too much for me.

NWernBrewer
09-25-2008, 03:19 PM
The best head I've gotten in beers is when I add 1/2# - 1# flaked barley to the mash. Very meringue-ey. It adds a little body, but not too much and seemingly just enough proteins to keep it up. I started doing it with stouts and I liked what it did so I started adding it to other American style ales. I don't know how much flavor effect it would have in a Belgian.

When I get home I will post a couple pics to show what the barley did for me. Very meringue-ey.

PseudoChef
09-25-2008, 03:21 PM
Thanks for the tip, NW. Never tried flaked barley. Will have to now. I am thinking of a some type of stout for the winter.

guest_account_001
09-25-2008, 06:18 PM
I tell you what has some fucking head...boddingtons pub ale...shit may be bland and tasteless, but DAMN does that have some head, that just LINGERS and LINGERS and LINGERS.

The Boddy head is ridiculous in my opinion, but that's what they market when advertising the beer too. It's wrong for the style.

Now, does hard/soft water affect head retention? In England the style for most ales varies between north and south. The north has soft water, and the beer has a larger head. In the south it is hard water, and the head is smaller and dissipates sooner. Personally, I come from the south, so I am accustomed to little or almost no head. That is pretty fucking fortunate, because that is all I can brew!! ;)

NWernBrewer
09-26-2008, 06:23 PM
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w85/kiowaas69/pale.jpg

This is a pale ale that I used the flaked in. Worked well - I didn't take a picture when it was freshly pulled, but by the density of the lacing it should give you an idea.

I was proud of this one.

PseudoChef
12-16-2008, 04:48 PM
I am still having terrible issues. Only beers that have it for me are generously hopped.

My Winter Saison has a pound each of carapils and wheat. Nothing - just like usual, minimal head forms, then gone in less than a minute.

Southern English has over a pound of various crystal malts and nothing there.

Oatmeal Stout has oats + 0.5 lbs carapils and it's the same story.

I am starting to think it may be running the bottles through the dishwasher to sanitize. I run them through with no soap, however.

When I bottle next I think I will forgo the dishwasher and just give a StarSan bath instead. Argh this is pissing me off to great extents.

blacklab
12-16-2008, 05:39 PM
Wow, just read your OP, sounds like you have all bases covered. Just curious - when you brew a typical wheat beer(if you do) do you get decent retention? Or is it the same?

I've never had this issue and my first though was add some wheat or carapils, but obviously that does not work for you.

Are you spicing the Belgians? Wondering if that's the issue, some of the oils from the orange or whatever killing the head.

PseudoChef
12-16-2008, 05:56 PM
No, head anywhere unless I have a good amount of hops.

I have done 2 different Wits and a Dunkleweizen all with over 50% of various wheats in the grist and they are the same story.

The only beers I have spiced are the Wits, as well.

This is why I think I have some type of residual surfactant somewhere - be it the oxyclean soak of bottles pre dishwasher, or something occuring in the dishwasher itself.

blacklab
12-16-2008, 06:29 PM
It's gotta be something along those lines. I've been using the same bottles for a long time now, and I just rinse them out real well right after drinking, then run them through the dishwasher pre-bottling. Maybe ace the oxyclean step and see what happens.

ben the brewman
12-17-2008, 02:43 AM
i have noticed the beers i brew with .50.lbs or more of cara pils have good lacing down the glass and the ones i have used at least 1lbs of flaked barley have great head retention. i have also seen Munton's KreamyX Priming Agent you just use it in place of regular priming sugar. i have never used it before but its worth a shot.