THE HOBBIT TRAILER

[Ó Flannagáin]

I love this so much, Martin was the perfect selection for Bilbo and I'm so glad del toro dropped out and PJ took the reigns again. I love the series so much I flew to New Zealand in 2001 to try and be an extra in LotR but unfortunately didn't get in :(


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31nNt_whG4g

[Milf Man]

WANT

[Redweasel]

Awesome

[Ron]

NERDGASM!

[Lerxst]

Looks fairly awesome!

[zoebisch01]

Noice! Only a year to wait :D

[Ó Flannagáin]

The second half will come out when my daughter is 2.5 years old... the perfect age!! I'm going to read her the book then watch the first half right before going to see it.

[Evan!]

I flew to New Zealand in 2001 to try and be an extra in LotR but unfortunately didn't get in :(

Really? I hadn't heard that before. Next, you'll tell me that flyangler went to Arnhem Land.

The trailer looks cool, but goddamn, it's still a year off? They sure like to drag these things out.

[Ó Flannagáin]

Really? I hadn't heard that before.

You really haven't or are you being sarcastic? This is the story I tell over and over that people get tired of hearing.

[PseudoChef]

The second half will come out when my daughter is 2.5 years old... the perfect age!! I'm going to read her the book then watch the first half right before going to see it.

You haven't had a kid before, have you? Oh right, you haven't. If you have a 2.5 year old with an attention span for an adult book and movie, props to you.

[Ó Flannagáin]

When do they start enjoying full movies??

[Evan!]

You really haven't or are you being sarcastic? This is the story I tell over and over that people get tired of hearing.

The only story I've heard more than that is the one about Arnhem Land and George Rrurrambu.

[Evan!]

When do they start enjoying full movies??

Depends on the kid and the movie. Reid will sit through all of Wall-E, etc., which isn't exactly a cartoon. We're thinking of taking him to see Tintin...I think he could do it.

Not so sure about The Hobbit, though. Adult themes, graphic stuff...even if it didn't grab her attention for the whole thing, I'm not sure I'd want my 2.5-year-old watching it anyway.

[Ó Flannagáin]

When do they let you read books to them?

[PseudoChef]

Read books from birth, but just now shy of 7 years old are we doing books without any pictures. But that's for her to actually understand and comprehend. I'm sure you could read to her as the sound of your voice and such is always a good thing.

But what I expect to be the darkness of the movie (meaning actual hue, not theme) won't appeal to a very young kid because it just won't stimulate them. That's why cartoons and children's shows deal in bright colors.

[flyangler18]

The only story I've heard more than that is the one about Arnhem Land and George Rrurrambu.

Aww hell, I've haven't mentioned that trip in ages. ;)

[blacklab]

Not so sure about The Hobbit, though. Adult themes, graphic stuff...even if it didn't grab her attention for the whole thing, I'm not sure I'd want my 2.5-year-old watching it anyway.

In my opinion, two and a half is way to young to watch something like that. They are little sponges and absorb everything. I would say that the content in LOTR movies is 10+ at a minimum, but that may just be me. I'm a bit conservative about this sort of thing.


When do they let you read books to them?

Just keep at it, but don't make them stay until the end of the book. Their little brains are developing in many ways and at your daughter's age it's a bit much to expect her to sit there and listen. By merely exposing them to books and reading, you're giving her a good start. Even just her seeing you reading helps imprint on her that reading is a worthwhile and interesting activity. Soon she will get interested in the pictures of the books you are reading her and last longer and longer. My four year old loves books and is always asking me to read to him, even getting some of the words and letters now. My eight year old reads before bed every night.

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

Hell yes! I have been waiting for this trailer forever! 2.5 will probably be too young for the movie. Sibella is about 2.5 now (like Reid) and she would not enjoy it. To much darkness and scary stuff. That said, I plan to read her the story for the first time when she turns three. My brother read my the Hobbit and LOTR when I was very small and it always stayed with me as a great memory. There are so many opportunities for humor and different voices and dialog suspense, it makes a great read aloud to kids (if you can handle all the crazy language).

Anyway, I am super excited about this.

[Ó Flannagáin]

In my opinion, two and a half is way to young to watch something like that. They are little sponges and absorb everything. I would say that the content in LOTR movies is 10+ at a minimum, but that may just be me. I'm a bit conservative about this sort of thing.

My brother watches LotR with his 4 and 6 year old. They love it and they don't have any nightmares or anything.

[blacklab]

My brother watches LotR with his 4 and 6 year old. They love it and they don't have any nightmares or anything.

Yeah, obviously a personal choice. I would be more worried about things popping up later, but like I said I'm sort of over the top on these things. But I will always remember dropping a huge F-bomb in front of my daughter and her repeating it for a few days. The things they see and hear when young, do stick, to some extent.

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

As an offshoot... how does everyone feel about the foul language exposure thing. The way I see it, is you need to learn somehow what is and is not appropriate. Who cares if your kids knows the F-bomb? Doesn't that mean you know have the opportunity to teach them it is not appropriate for them to use? I have always found that a bit odd. While prefer that my friends reign in some of their language around my kids, it has never been a mandate or a big deal. So they through cuss words around? That is the way the world is.

I have much older brothers, and my family always watched movies rated for people much older than I was. When an inappropriate (explicit sex or scary stuff) was coming up, my parents would sense it and I had to dive under the covers until it was over. It always seemed fine to me, and we got to watch good quality movies together as a family.

That said, LOTR had some scary ass scenes. I think if I watched that with Sibella it would be mostly under cover time. Probably in a few years that will be a different story (5ish I would guess).

[Ó Flannagáin]

I doubt I'll ever watch my language around my kids. More explanation after my meeting

[PseudoChef]

Yeah, I don't care about language. Kids (not her) in her class got in trouble with it last year, I told her to just not say the words in school, but I didn't care if she said them. People fucking cuss. It happens. They're just words. I feel that people who "get offended" by a conglomeration of letters need to ease the fuck up and stop sheltering one another.

[Ó Flannagáin]

Will you not drink beer in front of your little kids? Of course you will and you will tell them its what grown ups do. I've watched my brother swear around his children and they KNOW they are not allowed to. I realize you need to protect your child's innocence, but I don't feel colorful language is going to corrupt them. And, I don't have a big problem with them using it once they are of an age where they realize not to use it in certain situations like school.

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

Word. I very rarely swear. That doesn't mean I don't know how to or when to. I think it is important for kids to learn the same. The alcohol comparison is a good one. It is good for children to understand there place in the world and that they do not get to do whatever they want just because they know about it. I would rather they know about everything and choose not to break the rules, than to be sheltered their young lives only to learn the world is full of mistakes to be made and trouble to get into.

Also, the whole Tolkien mythos is a very good and moral framework. Its lessons are directed to individuals having choices and either making the correct choices (always leading to hardship and eventual righteous victory) or the wrong choices (always leading to instant gratification and eventual destruction). The fables and themes are very constructive and that shows through (to a somewhat lesser extent in the movies) on a subconscious level to children and adults alike.

[Ó Flannagáin]

I have to be careful about reactionary parenting though. I was extremely sheltered as a child, wasn't allowed to watch smurfs or he-man, didn't know what homosexuality was, homeschooled through 6th grade, parents never drank or swore or anything. I have to make sure the decisions I make as a parent aren't in response to how sheltered I was.

Want to hear something fucked up? Think back to the most scared you've ever been in your life. I remember when it was for me. I was about 5 or 6 years old and I was starting to get exposed to some apocalyptic Christian stories (fundy, baptist parents). I heard that if the rapture didn't happen before end times but towards the end, which my parents were unsure about, Christians were forced to choose between getting the mark of the beast or having their head cut off. My fucking parents told me I'd have to get my head cut off or go to hell if Jesus happened to come back anytime soon. I've never been so scared in my life, lasted for a couple weeks.

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

Wow. That is intense. That makes LOTR look pretty happy and care-free.

I view parenting as a series of teaching moments. You are always teaching your kids something. Even by not acting on something you are teaching them something. So just think about every action and ask yourself if that is the lesson you want your kid learning. You're the parent, mold your kid into the person you wish you were or could have been (out-of-shape ex-jock jokes aside). If you think the world can be better, your kids are the ones who can make it happen. Teach them how to be awesome. Also teach them to brew beer, so they can rule the town when the Apocalypse comes (Zombie or otherwise).

[blacklab]

Man, I'd have been scared senseless. Too much of any one thing is bad for you; religion, alcohol, swearing, you name it. I try to take everything in moderation but my obvious weakness is the brew!

My theory on swearing is that I am a template for my kids, 24x7. Sure I swear very occasionally when I have the hammer/thumb moments we all do, but try to keep it to a minimum. I drink in front of them but don't get totally wasted (after they are in bed, different story). I want to show my kids how to behave in public. That's why we practice good manners at the dinner table and use proper english. I mean, if dad is lounging on the couch eating greasy fried chicken and swearing all the time, what else are the kids supposed to do when they are over at a friends place? Of course they are going to exhibit the behavior you have accustomed them to.

[Ó Flannagáin]

I think kids are smart enough to differentiate how you act in public and how you act at home. Its important for them (my kids, not saying yours or anyone else's necessarily) to know that what is deemed polite or public behaviour should not regulate their lives and personalities. If they want to sit on the couch slouching and eating chicken wings while watching a movie or playing a video game, do it!

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

I hear you Blacklab. My kids have destroyed candy snacking. How can I tell them not to eat candy before dinner if I am. The difference of course is that I am not developing and will eat my dinner regardless of the candy, but they don't understand that. Those situations kill me, but I laugh about it because it is kind of funny. Lead by example is wicked hard sometimes.

[PseudoChef]

Rookies...joint custody solves all these problems! I can eat chicken wings in front of bad TV in my underwear 3 days a week!

[zoebisch01]

Unfortunately kids often lack the little voice that makes you stop before you swear at an inappropriate time. Like in front of the teacher or in-laws....

[zoebisch01]

wasn't allowed to watch smurfs

Hahahaha! I remember the "Smurfs are the devil" thing.

[Ó Flannagáin]

Unfortunately kids often lack the little voice that makes you stop before you swear at an inappropriate time. Like in front of the teacher or in-laws....

meh, they will after they get in trouble for it.

[zoebisch01]

We swear from time-to-time around our kids but we always reinforce the idea that it isn't often socially appropriate. As for film content, the way I see it is all about the personality and type of kid you have. Some kids will get long term trauma from some themes. Hell I still remember hiding in the corner when the chick's eyes rolled back in her head on the exorcist. I was like 5 or something. Other kids will be like "eh whatever" like my youngest. He rarely even has bad dreams.

[wildwest450]

Wow, this turned into a child psychology thread in a hurry. I actually was disappointed in the trailer.

[Ó Flannagáin]

HOW WERE YOU DISAPPOINTED???? My wife, who makes fun of my LotR love actually got chill bumps watching it.

[wildwest450]

Just was(who cares about a group sing along?), i'm sure the movie will be great, I have faith in PJ.

[Ó Flannagáin]

Dude, the group sing along was my favorite part, that's an actual song and scene pulled from the book. PJ says there will be LOTS more music from the book in this film!!!!

[flyangler18]

Dude, the group sing along was my favorite part, that's an actual song and scene pulled from the book. PJ says there will be LOTS more music from the book in this film!!!!

IMO, the songs are such a crucial part to understanding the mythology of Middle Earth in both the Hobbit & LOTR.

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

Hell yes. I was super psyched about the songs. I hope they keep even more of that than they did in LOTR. Most of the singing for the trilogy was moved into the extra content. I must have watched that thing 10 time yesterday.

Flan, you may be one of few larger Tolkien nerds than me that I have come in contact with. That is impressive that you flew out for the extra shoots. I love the crap out of those books.

[Ó Flannagáin]

I've only read a couple of the twelve history of middle earth books... once I read all 12 I'll consider myself a true Tolkien nerd.

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

I haven't read all the histories. To be honest, I don't consider it cannon, and so much of it is gobbldy gook. I will get around to them eventually. I did read all the lost tales though, and those were pretty cool. Although, they do start to confuse the stories of the Silmarillion. If you haven't I highly recommend reading through the collection of Tolkien's letters. That is a pretty good crapper book.

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

Do you have any cool printings? I would love to see if you have some cool stuff. I ponied up for a first printing second edition. They weren't very expensive and I wanted a cool old set, plus that was the first edition I read (old copies from the library).

[flyangler18]

The collected letters are wonderful.

My copy of the Hobbit is illustrated by Michael Hague. I love his style.

http://www.tolkiensociety.org/tolkien/images/hobbit02.gif

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

Ooooo I don't know that I've seen that one. I don't have any cool Hobbits. I have been thinking about that for a while. Buying up mid range Hobbit volumes would probably be an awesome investment right now. Those things are going to go up 500% in value when the movie comes out for a few months.

[Ó Flannagáin]

Not cannon? They are tolkiens writing compiled and edited by his son

[blacklab]

I think the kid finished and edited heavily.

[flyangler18]

*canon* :)

I know Christopher had to take some liberties and finish as best as he could.

[Ó Flannagáin]

Sources on that? I could've sworn everything writ was based on a specific note

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

Everything is based on the notes, but they had a lot of piecing together to do. I take the main published works as the real story. The rest of them are just for fun and a deeper look at the themes behind the stories and for some other fun reading. I know everyone has a different idea about that, its just how I look at it.

I meant cannon. As in Tolkien artillery.

[Ó Flannagáin]

I love how it goes into explaining things like the istari and how you learn there are only 5 wizard, gandalf, saruman, radagast and the two blue wizards, you learn how Eru stepped into to bring Gandalf back since even the Vala couldn't do it.

[Ó Flannagáin]

Yep I'm homosexual

[ohiobrewtus]

Hell yes. I was super psyched about the songs. I hope they keep even more of that than they did in LOTR. Most of the singing for the trilogy was moved into the extra content. I must have watched that thing 10 time yesterday.

Flan, you may be one of few larger Tolkien nerds than me that I have come in contact with. That is impressive that you flew out for the extra shoots. I love the crap out of those books.

See, I'm not a Tolkien nerd at all. I've never read any of the books. I've watched the LOTR movies multiple times, and I really like them, but they're all a bit slow to develop for me. I'm will certainly watch both of these movies (when I can watch them at home on the 144" screen), but I'm in no hurry to go see them when they come out, and I'm certainly not geeking out like other in this thread.

To each their own though. When the next incarnation of Star Trek comes out I'll probably go see it at an IMAX theater the first chance I get. To each their own. As someone who didn't grow up reading the series, I certainly look forward to watching these movies, but I don't fap while I'm watching the trailers.

[Ó Flannagáin]

Dude you definitely couldn't handle a Tolkien marathon ethic all three extended editions back to back for 11 hours, to me that's heaven

[ohiobrewtus]

Dude you definitely couldn't handle a Tolkien marathon ethic all three extended editions back to back for 11 hours, to me that's heaven

I hate to prove you wrong again :), but I certainly could. I've watched the entire Firefly series, then watched the movie, on multiple occasions. This far exceeds 11 hours. I enjoy the LOTR movies, I'm just not a fanboy like you are. Now if you, or someone else who is a big fan, were sitting right next to me, I'd have no problem watching then all back to back. Especially on the 144" full HD screen that I have (which, of course, I bring up only to piss Flan off).

[Ó Flannagáin]

Oh man, once the two hobbit movies are out with extended editions its going to be like an 18 HOUR MARATHON

[PseudoChef]

Yeah, I just can't get into the Tolkien stuff no matter how much I try. Struggled to stay awake during the first movie then just didn't bother after that. It's a to each his own type of thing for sure.

[Ó Flannagáin]

Missing out bro, the the second one is definitely the best, give it a try. The first 20 minutes are intense as a mother fucker.

[PseudoChef]

Tried and tried. Sorry.

[Evan!]

Tried and tried. Sorry.

Well, that's cool. You either like Tolkien, or you're wrong.

[flyangler18]

The films are paced in much the same way as the texts on which they are based. The epic form does that by design. You have massive world-building going on there.

[Flyin' Lion]

Just found out that the Hobbit will now be three films. While this may be good when I own the DVDs, it sucks to have to wait two and a half years to see them all.

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/extra-story-drawn-upon-hobbit-trilogy-194114585.html

[blacklab]

Just found out that the Hobbit will now be three films. While this may be good when I own the DVDs, it sucks to have to wait two and a half years to see them all.

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/extra-story-drawn-upon-hobbit-trilogy-194114585.html

It takes a bit of time to make such an epic film! Two .5 years is a pretty short production time.